25th SEA GAMES, Vientiane, Laos 2009

wansyafi · Member

RE: Final: Vietnam Vs Malaysia.

nsubhi · Newbie

Hmmmm .... you are messi my dear because you don't know him. He is the dangerous player. I want to see him again to destroy Vietnam after he destroyed Laos. Ha ha

Malaysia Boleh

sephiroth2m · Senior Member

From mathematics point of view:
Laos 1 - 3 Malaysia
Singapore 1 - 4 Vietnam
----------------------------
And with Laos 0 - 0 Singapore in group table ==> Malaysia 0 - 1 Vietnam

From historic point of view:
Malaysia 1 - 3 Vietnam

wansyafi · Member

both supporters should not let thing be more stressful...this is a beautiful games...both team have advantages...cheer for ASEAN

RedApple · Newbie

6-1 ...hahaha

orangkampung · Member

Malaysia will be back with full squad with Fakri, Zaquan and Amirul Hadi return from suspension or injury.. yes...Vietnam look so superior this sea games and should start as favourite but it does not mean we will surrender without fighting...

NHP · Senior Member

Vietnam has a big fans. They're Vietnamese and Laotian. We're the close friends and we cheer Vietnam soccer team with all our hearts.

malaysia fan · Newbie

sephiroth2m wrote:

From mathematics point of view:
Laos 1 - 3 Malaysia
Singapore 1 - 4 Vietnam
----------------------------
And with Laos 0 - 0 Singapore in group table ==> Malaysia 0 - 1 Vietnam

From historic point of view:
Malaysia 1 - 3 Vietnam

but 1 thing u should also consider my friend, Laos was on top of group A's table with +1 goal margin over Sing..

correction:
Mas 1 - 1 Vietnam (after extra time)
Mas 5 - 4 Vietnam (after penalty kicks)

THAI-WIB · Senior Member

I prefer to cheer Malaysia because they beat Thailand.
Good luck to all Malaysian guys, Truly Asia ~

Baosheng · Senior Member

orangkampung wrote:

Malaysia will be back with full squad with Fakri, Zaquan and Amirul Hadi return from suspension or injury.. yes...Vietnam look so superior this sea games and should start as favourite but it does not mean we will surrender without fighting...

That's sounds good for Malaysia team.

Cheers...

Just make sure that it is not the same korean referee again.

-- Edited by Baosheng on Monday 14th of December 2009 08:19:29 AM

Vietnam_man · Member

sephiroth2m wrote:

Seems there're many Viet fanboys here. What a shame...

Shame??? Why there're many Viet fans here is a shame??

Where are u come from? What do u think if i told u that statement.

qmfrvn · Veteran Member

Food For Thought

Historical data-Matches in between Vietnam and Malaysia: 12 Matches in which Vietnam won 8, draw 1 and lost 3. From 2002, Malaysia consecutively lost to Vietnam.

Tiger Cup 1998 : Vietnam – Malaysia: 1-0

Tiger Cup 2000: Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-0
Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-3

Tiger Cup 2002: Vietnam – Malaysia: 2-1

AFF Cup 2008: Vietnam – Malaysia: 3-2

SEA Games 1995:Vietnam – Malaysia: 2-0

SEA Games 1997: Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-1

SEA Games 2001:Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-2

SEA Games 2003:Vietnam – Malaysia: 4-3

SEA Games 2005:Vietnam – Malaysia: 2-1

SEA Games 2007:Vietnam – Malaysia: 3-1

SEA Games 2009:Vietnam - Malaysia: 3-1

What will happen next ?

Please don't use the word "REVENGE" since Malay team needs to work very hard to equal previous failures. In addition, don't try to blame that we "bought referee" or "the game was not fair". Once your team wants to progress, let try your best to learn and correct your own problems.

Cheers from a VN fan

hoangphuvn · Veteran Member

To whom may concern...

You guys, of course, support for your nation. We all understand.

Some guys are not careful in using language. And that may caused bad impressions for the rest. I am Vietnamese, and I feel ashamed if someone says impolite words here. If you are Vietnamese, kindly respect others! We are here to cheer for SEA Games, as friends.

To foreign friends: I see there are many Vietnamese fans in this board. You sometimes meet someone in bad communication, it does not mean that Vietnamese are bad. There is a Vietnamese essay like this: "A little worm spoils a soup".

Did you guys know that we were so happy when Malays could play such a wonderful match against Thailand? Did you know that we really expected that you could do something amazing in that match? (Sorry Thai fans - just because we like something new rather than the 9 continuous gold medal... That's all).

FoolExposer · Veteran Member

Why are we turning a normal conversation into an argument? The game hasn't been played, so chances are 50/50 for both team.

Vietnam has some advantages, but they dont mean anything. (look at what happened to Thailand). I sure hope we will win it all, but we better be humble and respect our opponent.

Go VN!

navaroseol_VN · Newbie

malaysia fan wrote:

Faiz Fadzil wrote:

honestly as Malaysia's supporter (of course!), i feel a bit nervous about the final, but i do think that we had learn from that mistake and its gonna be a one tough match.
yeah, Vietnam defeated Malaysia at the group stage, but believe me guys, we will come back and claim a sweet revenge in the final!!

p/s - Zaquan will be back!

Don't forget, Fakri Shaarani, our winning goal scorer with Thai will be back too..

Don't forget Trong Hoang , will be back,and more than that,in viet nam team ,that existing one person be called :"The Fear of malaysian" - He's Phan Thanh Binh.

But that don't prove anything,because the match:Thailand - Malaysia is proved this.

I'm Vietnamese ,always I hope Vietnam team is a champion leage ,but I allways respect all rival.

Sorry because my english is badly,not express all my mind

I hope VN and Malaysia go to the penanty shoot and VN will be win

Malaya_Tiger · Member

vietnam seems too confident beat malaysia??
we will be back better than last match..

thanhquanky · Member

VN will win. I believe it.

Malaya_Tiger · Member

thanhquanky wrote:

VN will win. I believe it.

you believe about things that have not become a reality ..

whether you think can beat malaysia? i did not dare to say YES

who's playing well, he will be victorious!

utan · Member

sephiroth2m wrote:

From mathematics point of view:
Laos 1 - 3 Malaysia
Singapore 1 - 4 Vietnam
----------------------------
And with Laos 0 - 0 Singapore in group table ==> Malaysia 0 - 1 Vietnam

From historic point of view:
Malaysia 1 - 3 Vietnam

Many thanks to Malaysian team to defeat Thailand team to help VN.
As calculation above. Final match is 1-0 for VN.
blankstare

shev87 · Member

My head says Vietnam, but i hope Malaysia.

cmi87 · Veteran Member

qmfrvn wrote:

Food For Thought

Historical data-Matches in between Vietnam and Malaysia: 12 Matches in which Vietnam won 8, draw 1 and lost 3. From 2002, Malaysia consecutively lost to Vietnam.
Tiger Cup 1998 : Vietnam – Malaysia: 1-0
Tiger Cup 2000: Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-0
Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-3
Tiger Cup 2002: Vietnam – Malaysia: 2-1
AFF Cup 2008: Vietnam – Malaysia: 3-2
SEA Games 1995:Vietnam – Malaysia: 2-0
SEA Games 1997: Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-1
SEA Games 2001:Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-2
SEA Games 2003:Vietnam – Malaysia: 4-3
SEA Games 2005:Vietnam – Malaysia: 2-1
SEA Games 2007:Vietnam – Malaysia: 3-1
SEA Games 2009:Vietnam - Malaysia: 3-1

What will happen next ?

Please don't use the word "REVENGE" since Malay team needs to work very hard to equal previous failures. In addition, don't try to blame that we "bought referee" or "the game was not fair". Once your team wants to progress, let try your best to learn and correct your own problems.

Cheers from a VN fan

why we can't use the word revenge?when some team beat you (VN beat Malaysia 3-1 in group match) and this team meet again ,the lost team always try to revenge..it doesn't bring any bad word..

just stop with the referee issue..i do think referee is not fair in that match too but i do believe it doesn't involve vietnam team..it just because that referee sucks..let's hope the game work fair and square and both team will satisfied with the result no matter they lose or win..

i'm as Malaysian fan still believe our young team can do something in this tournament..if we can beat thailand ,it's not impossible for us to beat Vietnam too..there is no such immune team in football..Vietnam reputation is more higher than Malaysia but it doesn't mean Vietnam is impossible opponent to beat too..just be realistic ,Asean football standard still sucks..all Asean team was in 100+ rank in FIFA world ranking..don't need to be arrogant that our team is impossible to beat or whatever..i just hope that match gonna be entertain match and epic..that was one of the real purpose for this games..to entertain the viewer..the team that have more spirit ,energy ,mental ,strategy ,skill and preparation during the match will be the winner..not forget about luck too

Malaya_Tiger · Member

cmi87 wrote:

qmfrvn wrote:

Food For Thought

Historical data-Matches in between Vietnam and Malaysia: 12 Matches in which Vietnam won 8, draw 1 and lost 3. From 2002, Malaysia consecutively lost to Vietnam.
Tiger Cup 1998 : Vietnam – Malaysia: 1-0
Tiger Cup 2000: Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-0
Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-3
Tiger Cup 2002: Vietnam – Malaysia: 2-1
AFF Cup 2008: Vietnam – Malaysia: 3-2
SEA Games 1995:Vietnam – Malaysia: 2-0
SEA Games 1997: Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-1
SEA Games 2001:Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-2
SEA Games 2003:Vietnam – Malaysia: 4-3
SEA Games 2005:Vietnam – Malaysia: 2-1
SEA Games 2007:Vietnam – Malaysia: 3-1
SEA Games 2009:Vietnam - Malaysia: 3-1

What will happen next ?

Please don't use the word "REVENGE" since Malay team needs to work very hard to equal previous failures. In addition, don't try to blame that we "bought referee" or "the game was not fair". Once your team wants to progress, let try your best to learn and correct your own problems.

Cheers from a VN fan

why we can't use the word revenge?when some team beat you (VN beat Malaysia 3-1 in group match) and this team meet again ,the lost team always try to revenge..it doesn't bring any bad word..
just stop with the referee issue..i do think referee is not fair in that match too but i do believe it doesn't involve vietnam team..it just because that referee sucks..let's hope the game work fair and square and both team will satisfied with the result no matter they lose or win..
i'm as Malaysian fan still believe our young team can do something in this tournament..if we can beat thailand ,it's not impossible for us to beat Vietnam too..there is no such immune team in football..Vietnam reputation is more higher than Malaysia but it doesn't mean Vietnam is impossible opponent to beat too..just be realistic ,Asean football standard still sucks..all Asean team was in 100+ rank in FIFA world ranking..don't need to be arrogant that our team is impossible to beat or whatever..i just hope that match gonna be entertain match and epic..that was one of the real purpose for this games..to entertain the viewer..the team that have more spirit ,energy ,mental ,strategy ,skill and preparation during the match will be the winner..not forget about luck too

yeah ... strength of asean countries are the same .. if you have feet, we also have feet! that distinguish it is tactical, spirit, mentality and luck!

sephiroth2m · Senior Member

Vietnam_man wrote:

sephiroth2m wrote:

Seems there're many Viet fanboys here. What a shame...

Shame??? Why there're many Viet fans here is a shame??
Where are u come from? What do u think if i told u that statement.

Could you please distinguish between FAN and FANBOY?

I am from Vietnam, sir

qmfrvn · Veteran Member

cmi87 wrote:

qmfrvn wrote:

Food For Thought

Historical data-Matches in between Vietnam and Malaysia: 12 Matches in which Vietnam won 8, draw 1 and lost 3. From 2002, Malaysia consecutively lost to Vietnam.
Tiger Cup 1998 : Vietnam – Malaysia: 1-0
Tiger Cup 2000: Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-0
Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-3
Tiger Cup 2002: Vietnam – Malaysia: 2-1
AFF Cup 2008: Vietnam – Malaysia: 3-2
SEA Games 1995:Vietnam – Malaysia: 2-0
SEA Games 1997: Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-1
SEA Games 2001:Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-2
SEA Games 2003:Vietnam – Malaysia: 4-3
SEA Games 2005:Vietnam – Malaysia: 2-1
SEA Games 2007:Vietnam – Malaysia: 3-1
SEA Games 2009:Vietnam - Malaysia: 3-1

What will happen next ?

Please don't use the word "REVENGE" since Malay team needs to work very hard to equal previous failures. In addition, don't try to blame that we "bought referee" or "the game was not fair". Once your team wants to progress, let try your best to learn and correct your own problems.

Cheers from a VN fan

why we can't use the word revenge?when some team beat you (VN beat Malaysia 3-1 in group match) and this team meet again ,the lost team always try to revenge..it doesn't bring any bad word..
just stop with the referee issue..i do think referee is not fair in that match too but i do believe it doesn't involve vietnam team..it just because that referee sucks..let's hope the game work fair and square and both team will satisfied with the result no matter they lose or win..
i'm as Malaysian fan still believe our young team can do something in this tournament..if we can beat thailand ,it's not impossible for us to beat Vietnam too..there is no such immune team in football..Vietnam reputation is more higher than Malaysia but it doesn't mean Vietnam is impossible opponent to beat too..just be realistic ,Asean football standard still sucks..all Asean team was in 100+ rank in FIFA world ranking..don't need to be arrogant that our team is impossible to beat or whatever..i just hope that match gonna be entertain match and epic..that was one of the real purpose for this games..to entertain the viewer..the team that have more spirit ,energy ,mental ,strategy ,skill and preparation during the match will be the winner..not forget about luck too

Hey, i guess that you need to read my quote more carefully. Once you wish to use the word "revenge", pls. go ahead. Just remember that you need to "revenge" more, not just for this match only. You have a long list to strive for.

In addition, I found that a lot of Malay fan complaint about the referee and some blindly said that Vietnam "bought the referee" (refer to above quotes). Let's stick to the point when I said, in my quote, your team needs to learn and practice more. Try your best to solve your own problems i.e. weak defense, temper control etc before thinking of winning something. Never ever thought that because "the referee is bought" or "the match was unfair" then your team lost to Vietnam 1-3. With such blind thinking, looser will be looser forever.

I've never mentioned that Malaysian team would not be able to beat Vietnam team. I also did not say a word about FIFA ranking. And I guess that you are not in the position to teach me about spirit, energy or strategy.

All we need is that our team will try best and overcome themselves. What players may notice is that they have their fans behind waiting for the victory.

BTW, Malaysian team needs their own fans in the stadium on the day. Don't leave the players alone among Vietnamese players and fans.

Cheers

qmfrvn · Veteran Member

Malaya_Tiger wrote:

cmi87 wrote:

qmfrvn wrote:

Food For Thought

Historical data-Matches in between Vietnam and Malaysia: 12 Matches in which Vietnam won 8, draw 1 and lost 3. From 2002, Malaysia consecutively lost to Vietnam.
Tiger Cup 1998 : Vietnam – Malaysia: 1-0
Tiger Cup 2000: Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-0
Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-3
Tiger Cup 2002: Vietnam – Malaysia: 2-1
AFF Cup 2008: Vietnam – Malaysia: 3-2
SEA Games 1995:Vietnam – Malaysia: 2-0
SEA Games 1997: Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-1
SEA Games 2001:Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-2
SEA Games 2003:Vietnam – Malaysia: 4-3
SEA Games 2005:Vietnam – Malaysia: 2-1
SEA Games 2007:Vietnam – Malaysia: 3-1
SEA Games 2009:Vietnam - Malaysia: 3-1

What will happen next ?

Please don't use the word "REVENGE" since Malay team needs to work very hard to equal previous failures. In addition, don't try to blame that we "bought referee" or "the game was not fair". Once your team wants to progress, let try your best to learn and correct your own problems.

Cheers from a VN fan

why we can't use the word revenge?when some team beat you (VN beat Malaysia 3-1 in group match) and this team meet again ,the lost team always try to revenge..it doesn't bring any bad word..
just stop with the referee issue..i do think referee is not fair in that match too but i do believe it doesn't involve vietnam team..it just because that referee sucks..let's hope the game work fair and square and both team will satisfied with the result no matter they lose or win..
i'm as Malaysian fan still believe our young team can do something in this tournament..if we can beat thailand ,it's not impossible for us to beat Vietnam too..there is no such immune team in football..Vietnam reputation is more higher than Malaysia but it doesn't mean Vietnam is impossible opponent to beat too..just be realistic ,Asean football standard still sucks..all Asean team was in 100+ rank in FIFA world ranking..don't need to be arrogant that our team is impossible to beat or whatever..i just hope that match gonna be entertain match and epic..that was one of the real purpose for this games..to entertain the viewer..the team that have more spirit ,energy ,mental ,strategy ,skill and preparation during the match will be the winner..not forget about luck too

yeah ... strength of asean countries are the same .. if you have feet, we also have feet! that distinguish it is tactical, spirit, mentality and luck!

You are totally wrong. If your team always think that other teams are "strong" or "weak" as your team, you will loose most of times. Pls. don't tell me that Thai team won gold medals for many times just because they have better tactics or spirits. That your team won over Thai this time is just lucky and Thai team might be not as strong as their older brothers were.

Whatever said, teams are pretty much different by its fans. It's not a matter of "having feet"-as you quoted LOL. Let's watch any match that VN team played, you may notice that there were a lot of Vietnam fans presenting in the stadium. That will bring players more drivers to win. If players fail ? no problem, let have another dream !

Malaya_Tiger · Member

qmfrvn wrote:

cmi87 wrote:

qmfrvn wrote:

Food For Thought

Historical data-Matches in between Vietnam and Malaysia: 12 Matches in which Vietnam won 8, draw 1 and lost 3. From 2002, Malaysia consecutively lost to Vietnam.
Tiger Cup 1998 : Vietnam – Malaysia: 1-0
Tiger Cup 2000: Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-0
Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-3
Tiger Cup 2002: Vietnam – Malaysia: 2-1
AFF Cup 2008: Vietnam – Malaysia: 3-2
SEA Games 1995:Vietnam – Malaysia: 2-0
SEA Games 1997: Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-1
SEA Games 2001:Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-2
SEA Games 2003:Vietnam – Malaysia: 4-3
SEA Games 2005:Vietnam – Malaysia: 2-1
SEA Games 2007:Vietnam – Malaysia: 3-1
SEA Games 2009:Vietnam - Malaysia: 3-1

What will happen next ?

Please don't use the word "REVENGE" since Malay team needs to work very hard to equal previous failures. In addition, don't try to blame that we "bought referee" or "the game was not fair". Once your team wants to progress, let try your best to learn and correct your own problems.

Cheers from a VN fan

why we can't use the word revenge?when some team beat you (VN beat Malaysia 3-1 in group match) and this team meet again ,the lost team always try to revenge..it doesn't bring any bad word..
just stop with the referee issue..i do think referee is not fair in that match too but i do believe it doesn't involve vietnam team..it just because that referee sucks..let's hope the game work fair and square and both team will satisfied with the result no matter they lose or win..
i'm as Malaysian fan still believe our young team can do something in this tournament..if we can beat thailand ,it's not impossible for us to beat Vietnam too..there is no such immune team in football..Vietnam reputation is more higher than Malaysia but it doesn't mean Vietnam is impossible opponent to beat too..just be realistic ,Asean football standard still sucks..all Asean team was in 100+ rank in FIFA world ranking..don't need to be arrogant that our team is impossible to beat or whatever..i just hope that match gonna be entertain match and epic..that was one of the real purpose for this games..to entertain the viewer..the team that have more spirit ,energy ,mental ,strategy ,skill and preparation during the match will be the winner..not forget about luck too

Hey, i guess that you need to read my quote more carefully. Once you wish to use the word "revenge", pls. go ahead. Just remember that you need to "revenge" more, not just for this match only. You have a long list to strive for.

In addition, I found that a lot of Malay fan complaint about the referee and some blindly said that Vietnam "bought the referee" (refer to above quotes). Let's stick to the point when I said, in my quote, your team needs to learn and practice more. Try your best to solve your own problems i.e. weak defense, temper control etc before thinking of winning something. Never ever thought that because "the referee is bought" or "the match was unfair" then your team lost to Vietnam 1-3. With such blind thinking, looser will be looser forever.

I've never mentioned that Malaysian team would not be able to beat Vietnam team. I also did not say a word about FIFA ranking. And I guess that you are not in the position to teach me about spirit, energy or strategy.

All we need is that our team will try best and overcome themselves. What players may notice is that they have their fans behind waiting for the victory.

BTW, Malaysian team needs their own fans in the stadium on the day. Don't leave the players alone among Vietnamese players and fans.

Cheers

whateverlahh ..
results of the past is history, and FIFA ranking did not determine the actual strength of a team. what is important is performance on the field.

indeed vietnam have a good team, we respect your team. but that does not mean that we will provide an opportunity for you.

arky · Member

Come on guys.. it's just the SEA games... international ranking will also not be affected. It's effectively just an U-23 tourney.
Let's not get emotional and keep the love flowing here aite?

Firstly, past results do not matter.. even if that game was played 2 days ago...
Malaysia is also firstly a very technical team and these dudes.. they also do not know how to give up. Their match in the group game against Vietnam was not one to take into consideration. They let the referee rile them up and they started playing differently. It was a different Malaysia team that put the Thais out of the SEA games no matter what excuses u may make up. They ran faster, and were more technically astute than the Thais were. Most important though is the fact that they fight on till the end.

Vietnam on the other hand, whether or not u accept it, have always been on the favourable end of refereeing decisions and nary a dubious decision was ever made against them so far in their games. That helps a lot in building up their confidence and the fact that the Viet players were able to get away with a lot of nasty tackles in their games against Thailand,Malaysia and lastly Singapore. Otherwise, the Vietnamese players are also fast on the ground and are fluid in their movements with their off the ball running and pin-point passes.

This final will be an interesting game to watch and irregardless of whoever you're supporting, enjoy the game for the quality that these two teams have got to offer and remember at the end of the day... the SEA games are held to foster friendship and not hatred.

Love u all.. Cheers! One ASEAN!!!

qmfrvn · Veteran Member

It seems that you have some sort of "fair" comments now.

I agree that the most important thing is how teams perform in the match and we fans pray for the home team to win.

Just to correct one thing. If you said that "results of the past is history", the word "revenge" should not be used lah :). Beside, "respecting others" means "challenging" not "giving opportunity", especially in soccer. Matches Thai-Sing in Tiger Cup 98 and Sing-Lao this time should not be repeated.

Cheers

Malaya_Tiger · Member

qmfrvn wrote:

Malaya_Tiger wrote:

cmi87 wrote:

qmfrvn wrote:

Food For Thought

Historical data-Matches in between Vietnam and Malaysia: 12 Matches in which Vietnam won 8, draw 1 and lost 3. From 2002, Malaysia consecutively lost to Vietnam.
Tiger Cup 1998 : Vietnam – Malaysia: 1-0
Tiger Cup 2000: Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-0
Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-3
Tiger Cup 2002: Vietnam – Malaysia: 2-1
AFF Cup 2008: Vietnam – Malaysia: 3-2
SEA Games 1995:Vietnam – Malaysia: 2-0
SEA Games 1997: Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-1
SEA Games 2001:Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-2
SEA Games 2003:Vietnam – Malaysia: 4-3
SEA Games 2005:Vietnam – Malaysia: 2-1
SEA Games 2007:Vietnam – Malaysia: 3-1
SEA Games 2009:Vietnam - Malaysia: 3-1

What will happen next ?

Please don't use the word "REVENGE" since Malay team needs to work very hard to equal previous failures. In addition, don't try to blame that we "bought referee" or "the game was not fair". Once your team wants to progress, let try your best to learn and correct your own problems.

Cheers from a VN fan

why we can't use the word revenge?when some team beat you (VN beat Malaysia 3-1 in group match) and this team meet again ,the lost team always try to revenge..it doesn't bring any bad word..
just stop with the referee issue..i do think referee is not fair in that match too but i do believe it doesn't involve vietnam team..it just because that referee sucks..let's hope the game work fair and square and both team will satisfied with the result no matter they lose or win..
i'm as Malaysian fan still believe our young team can do something in this tournament..if we can beat thailand ,it's not impossible for us to beat Vietnam too..there is no such immune team in football..Vietnam reputation is more higher than Malaysia but it doesn't mean Vietnam is impossible opponent to beat too..just be realistic ,Asean football standard still sucks..all Asean team was in 100+ rank in FIFA world ranking..don't need to be arrogant that our team is impossible to beat or whatever..i just hope that match gonna be entertain match and epic..that was one of the real purpose for this games..to entertain the viewer..the team that have more spirit ,energy ,mental ,strategy ,skill and preparation during the match will be the winner..not forget about luck too

yeah ... strength of asean countries are the same .. if you have feet, we also have feet! that distinguish it is tactical, spirit, mentality and luck!

You are totally wrong. If your team always think that other teams are "strong" or "weak" as your team, you will loose most of times. Pls. don't tell me that Thai team won gold medals for many times just because they have better tactics or spirits. That your team won over Thai this time is just lucky and Thai team might be not as strong as their older brothers were.
Whatever said, teams are pretty much different by its fans. It's not a matter of "having feet"-as you quoted LOL. Let's watch any match that VN team played, you may notice that there were a lot of Vietnam fans presenting in the stadium. That will bring players more drivers to win. If players fail ? no problem, let have another dream !

all teams have the spirit and tactical.

tactical and spirit that distinguishes the strength of a team.

you think vietnam win because something else? and not because the spirit or tactical?

qmfrvn · Veteran Member

arky wrote:

Malaysia is also firstly a very technical team and these dudes.. they also do not know how to give up. Their match in the group game against Vietnam was not one to take into consideration. They let the referee rile them up and they started playing differently. It was a different Malaysia team that put the Thais out of the SEA games no matter what excuses u may make up. They ran faster, and were more technically astute than the Thais were. Most important though is the fact that they fight on till the end.

Vietnam on the other hand, whether or not u accept it, have always been on the favourable end of refereeing decisions and nary a dubious decision was ever made against them so far in their games. That helps a lot in building up their confidence and the fact that the Viet players were able to get away with a lot of nasty tackles in their games against Thailand,Malaysia and lastly Singapore. Otherwise, the Vietnamese players are also fast on the ground and are fluid in their movements with their off the ball running and pin-point passes.

I agree very much with you in the first paragraph then totally disagree with the following. I'm not quite sure if you really watched those matches with your own eyes or you just ran around collecting rumors and comments made by others. I think if you know a bit about soccer, you would never ever come to such a funny conclusion like this.

arky · Member

It's not a conclusion mate, nor is it a criticism.. It's just an analysis of the matches I watch. Once in a while, even teams I support get favourable treatment from referees... so I'm not complaining. Even without biased refereeing... Vietnam is good enough on their own to win the gold.. Cheers all!! Make love..not war

-- Edited by arky on Monday 14th of December 2009 11:01:12 AM

sephiroth2m · Senior Member

Hey, no need to discuss so much like this. Each of us has own opinion, may be differ from other, and time will be answer us. So stop here okey?

arky · Member

You're cool Seph... Cheers mate!!

Malaya_Tiger · Member

we argue about something relevant about both teams. is not an offense !

sephiroth2m · Senior Member

Malaya_Tiger wrote:

we argue about something relevant about both teams. is not an offense !

Oops, just afraid this arguing will loop continuously and turns to nothing... yawn

KentQ · Newbie

STOP IT ! Remember ! Nothing is impossible.

The Winner is still in the dark !

-- Edited by KentQ on Monday 14th of December 2009 11:46:25 AM

Thid chum · Veteran Member

There is nothing to lose for Malaysia.
For Vietnam players......there will be lot of pressure,
old Vietnam men in traditional dress sitting, watching,
will make players nervous to play...win and only win
is the target.

Both team had chance to win 50-50
good luck to both team

Heard that there is big celebrations in Saigon already
after VN beat SG....

OK have fun.....

I am Thai

cmi87 · Veteran Member

qmfrvn wrote:

cmi87 wrote:

qmfrvn wrote:

Food For Thought

Historical data-Matches in between Vietnam and Malaysia: 12 Matches in which Vietnam won 8, draw 1 and lost 3. From 2002, Malaysia consecutively lost to Vietnam.
Tiger Cup 1998 : Vietnam – Malaysia: 1-0
Tiger Cup 2000: Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-0
Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-3
Tiger Cup 2002: Vietnam – Malaysia: 2-1
AFF Cup 2008: Vietnam – Malaysia: 3-2
SEA Games 1995:Vietnam – Malaysia: 2-0
SEA Games 1997: Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-1
SEA Games 2001:Vietnam – Malaysia: 0-2
SEA Games 2003:Vietnam – Malaysia: 4-3
SEA Games 2005:Vietnam – Malaysia: 2-1
SEA Games 2007:Vietnam – Malaysia: 3-1
SEA Games 2009:Vietnam - Malaysia: 3-1

What will happen next ?

Please don't use the word "REVENGE" since Malay team needs to work very hard to equal previous failures. In addition, don't try to blame that we "bought referee" or "the game was not fair". Once your team wants to progress, let try your best to learn and correct your own problems.

Cheers from a VN fan

why we can't use the word revenge?when some team beat you (VN beat Malaysia 3-1 in group match) and this team meet again ,the lost team always try to revenge..it doesn't bring any bad word..
just stop with the referee issue..i do think referee is not fair in that match too but i do believe it doesn't involve vietnam team..it just because that referee sucks..let's hope the game work fair and square and both team will satisfied with the result no matter they lose or win..
i'm as Malaysian fan still believe our young team can do something in this tournament..if we can beat thailand ,it's not impossible for us to beat Vietnam too..there is no such immune team in football..Vietnam reputation is more higher than Malaysia but it doesn't mean Vietnam is impossible opponent to beat too..just be realistic ,Asean football standard still sucks..all Asean team was in 100+ rank in FIFA world ranking..don't need to be arrogant that our team is impossible to beat or whatever..i just hope that match gonna be entertain match and epic..that was one of the real purpose for this games..to entertain the viewer..the team that have more spirit ,energy ,mental ,strategy ,skill and preparation during the match will be the winner..not forget about luck too

Hey, i guess that you need to read my quote more carefully. Once you wish to use the word "revenge", pls. go ahead. Just remember that you need to "revenge" more, not just for this match only. You have a long list to strive for.

In addition, I found that a lot of Malay fan complaint about the referee and some blindly said that Vietnam "bought the referee" (refer to above quotes). Let's stick to the point when I said, in my quote, your team needs to learn and practice more. Try your best to solve your own problems i.e. weak defense, temper control etc before thinking of winning something. Never ever thought that because "the referee is bought" or "the match was unfair" then your team lost to Vietnam 1-3. With such blind thinking, looser will be looser forever.

I've never mentioned that Malaysian team would not be able to beat Vietnam team. I also did not say a word about FIFA ranking. And I guess that you are not in the position to teach me about spirit, energy or strategy.

All we need is that our team will try best and overcome themselves. What players may notice is that they have their fans behind waiting for the victory.

BTW, Malaysian team needs their own fans in the stadium on the day. Don't leave the players alone among Vietnamese players and fans.

Cheers

i don't think we just find excuse because we lose..referee is also human..if we find that referee have favoritism toward your country ,it's not just silly excuse..i don't mind if we lose..i already know your team have more reputation than us base on current performance..it's not really surprising if we lose and i'll take it professionally but let it fair..but like i said ,just closed this issue..it's no use to talk about past match anymore..

i don't think our main prob is weak defense..our defense work quite well atm..but i gotta agree our player easy to lose focus but it's not because they got bad temper..i saw our team match in this sea games and i don't think they are too emotional in game..they just can't control emotion in group match (Malaysia vs Vietnam) because they think referee reach unfair to them and i admit they react wrongly..our player still have weak mental because their mental and focus easily got disturb by the environment..that confusing feeling just kill their morale and bother them to perform normally..they'll get punish because of that incident when they back to Malaysia by our government and hope it can give good lesson to them in the future..they still young and have long way to go

and for the FIFA ranking comment ,i was refer that to other people in this forum..my bad because i put this comment altogether with your quote..

KentQ · Newbie

oh, yeh ! SAIGON like a crowd in the movie 2012 wink

-- Edited by KentQ on Monday 14th of December 2009 11:55:16 AM

littlehorsefish · Veteran Member

I bet on Vietnam for the reasons below:

1. Most of the Vietnamese players HAVE SCORED.
2. U23 Vietnam has a diverse attacking strategy.
3. Trọng Hoàng returned in the final.
4. Malay boys are easy to lose temper.
5. There is going to be a big "home match" for Vietnam in Vientiane.

I do highly respect the progress of U23 Malaysia from the match with Thailand and Laos, but I believe Malaysia can not win because their style is just similar to Singapore or Indonesia, which focus on careful counter-attack with advantage of fitness while U23 Vietnam today have most of those disadvantages in the past and a skillful performance.

-- Edited by littlehorsefish on Monday 14th of December 2009 11:51:44 AM

sephiroth2m · Senior Member

Thid chum wrote:

There is nothing to lose for Malaysia.
For Vietnam players......there will be lot of pressure,
old Vietnam men in traditional dress sitting, watching,
will make players nervous to play...win and only win
is the target.

Both team had chance to win 50-50
good luck to both team

Heard that there is big celebrations in Saigon already
after VN beat SG....

OK have fun.....

I am Thai

Agree. Pressure is high for Vietnam. All people in country want to win. The team won't allow to fail, that will be the biggest problem

Majapahit Kid · Senior Member

Gold-Vn,Silver-Malaysia

kuwe KL · Veteran Member

sephiroth2m wrote:

Thid chum wrote:

There is nothing to lose for Malaysia.
For Vietnam players......there will be lot of pressure,
old Vietnam men in traditional dress sitting, watching,
will make players nervous to play...win and only win
is the target.

Both team had chance to win 50-50
good luck to both team

Heard that there is big celebrations in Saigon already
after VN beat SG....

OK have fun.....

I am Thai

Agree. Pressure is high for Vietnam. All people in country want to win. The team won't allow to fail, that will be the biggest problem

agree..if malaysia lose..they will accept it but cannot avoid criticism from the judgemental media ..but if vietnam lose they will cry and cry and cry..this is the fact..

Majapahit Kid · Senior Member

It wil b a great match.Vn,d rising tiger vs Msia,d young guns.yup Msia gt nothing 2 lose.they r stil learning 2 play top level fball.Vn gt 2 maintain her reputation.they must not fail.they deserve 2 b No.1

Viet · Member

arky wrote:

Come on guys.. it's just the SEA games... international ranking will also not be affected. It's effectively just an U-23 tourney.
Let's not get emotional and keep the love flowing here aite?

Firstly, past results do not matter.. even if that game was played 2 days ago...
Malaysia is also firstly a very technical team and these dudes.. they also do not know how to give up. Their match in the group game against Vietnam was not one to take into consideration. They let the referee rile them up and they started playing differently. It was a different Malaysia team that put the Thais out of the SEA games no matter what excuses u may make up. They ran faster, and were more technically astute than the Thais were. Most important though is the fact that they fight on till the end.

Vietnam on the other hand, whether or not u accept it, have always been on the favourable end of refereeing decisions and nary a dubious decision was ever made against them so far in their games. That helps a lot in building up their confidence and the fact that the Viet players were able to get away with a lot of nasty tackles in their games against Thailand,Malaysia and lastly Singapore. Otherwise, the Vietnamese players are also fast on the ground and are fluid in their movements with their off the ball running and pin-point passes.

This final will be an interesting game to watch and irregardless of whoever you're supporting, enjoy the game for the quality that these two teams have got to offer and remember at the end of the day... the SEA games are held to foster friendship and not hatred.

Love u all.. Cheers! One ASEAN!!!

is that so? opinions and speculations tend to be Bullsh!t. fact is the truth, everybody saw it:
Mohd Zaquan Adha Abdul Razak was issued a red card and kicked out of the game for rash tackles , and who jumped on the referee and wanted to maul him alive at the end of the games?

seeing more BS coming!!!!

KentQ · Newbie

Yes, this guy is right ! evileye

wansyafi · Member

both supporter have a high football spirit...cheers malaysia & vietnam...hope this spirits turns to freindship inside and outside the fields....

qmfrvn · Veteran Member

Malaya_Tiger wrote:

You are totally wrong. If your team always think that other teams are "strong" or "weak" as your team, you will loose most of times. Pls. don't tell me that Thai team won gold medals for many times just because they have better tactics or spirits. That your team won over Thai this time is just lucky and Thai team might be not as strong as their older brothers were.
Whatever said, teams are pretty much different by its fans. It's not a matter of "having feet"-as you quoted LOL. Let's watch any match that VN team played, you may notice that there were a lot of Vietnam fans presenting in the stadium. That will bring players more drivers to win. If players fail ? no problem, let have another dream !

all teams have the spirit and tactical.
tactical and spirit that distinguishes the strength of a team.

you think vietnam win because something else? and not because the spirit or tactical?

What I meant is that, among ASEAN teams, they are not the same as you quoted previously. It is well agreed that Thailand should be the best. Vietnam is the runner up. Thai and Viet belong to the 1st group. 2nd group may include Malay, Indo etc. 3rd group include Cambodia, Brunei etc. In such a case, even if 3rd group use any kind of spirit or tactic, they have a very big chance to loose to 1st group.

BTW, I did not and do not mention at all about how and why Vietnam team smashed Malay team in the last match. if you really wanted to understand more about reasons, pls. read more by yourself tons of news in public domains.

qmfrvn · Veteran Member

arky wrote:

It's not a conclusion mate, nor is it a criticism.. It's just an analysis of the matches I watch. Once in a while, even teams I support get favourable treatment from referees... so I'm not complaining. Even without biased refereeing... Vietnam is good enough on their own to win the gold.. Cheers all!! Make love..not war

-- Edited by arky on Monday 14th of December 2009 11:01:12 AM

It's good that you have a "fair comment" now. If this is your own analysis, you need to "analyze" more on "nasty tackles" applied by Thailand, Malaysia and lastly Singapore against Vietnam.

I recall some failures of Vietnam team back to 1990s when we started to joining back SEA Games. We were not quite successful and the major reason was always "the referee" or some certain external factors LOL. We did change a lot, analyzed deeply real reasons and learnt from that.

P/S I want to cheer the victory but sorry, cannot "Make xxx..not war" as you wrote haha

yusminmj · Member

My opinion....We MALAYSIA will play under pressure since get into final is a good achievement. The final pressure will be on them. Their supporter hope too much from the team. I still beleive we can win by 2-1.

One more thing, the VIETNAMESE people are arrogant. Even world champion like Brazil, Italian, Argies etc not arrogant as them. These country know how to respect people but not the VIETNAMESE. You can judge them from this forum. I read their post since day one. I know not all of them but most of them are. Confident is good attitude but not much until other friends start notice it and end up will hate you. WE are ASEAN right. We suppose to have a good attitude. We're not westerner. Even westerner know how to make a friends. If we MALAYSIA lose on the final match...it's OK since we not talk that arrogant. But if otherwise happen, where are you VIETNAMESE people gonna hide their handsome and pretty face.

Game not even start yet. So please dont be so rude, arrogant with your ASEAN friends. Nice to comment but think first!! PEACE

-- Edited by yusminmj on Monday 14th of December 2009 06:56:34 PM