25th SEA GAMES, Vientiane, Laos 2009

NgocAnhVn · Senior Member

RE: Singapore vs Vietnam / Laos vs Malaysia

hoangphuvn · Veteran Member

What a wonderful final in the 25th SEA Games: U23 Laos vs U23 Vietnam. Alfred Riedl is often a man of silver. However, it means Laos' fantastic glory. I can't think that Laos could repeat the second one in the near future. A.F is also happy with the result as his second home - Vietnam.

- U23 Singapore do not have experience and they are still young. Tall and strength are not enough.
- U23 Malaysia has played quite well so far. If they can win U23 Laos, we will not surprise, however, A.R knows how to put them down in the bronze competition. After U23 Laos, not only Laotian present at Laos National Stadium to support for their team but Vietnamese fans also beside the brother.
- Lastly, a few word about U23 Vietnam: U23 Vietnam's most difficult competitor - U23 Thailand was out. Neither U23 Singapore nor U23 Malaysia can pass U23 Vietnam (most U23 VN players has experience. They play important roles in their football club in V-League. Almost of us thought U23 Thailand would be in the final and it is, off course, a hush game for U23 Vietnam. What happened, you know, don't you?
- Thai will be back soon, I bet. But today, Vietnam's chance. Tomorrow's coming after today! :)

Baosheng · Senior Member

NgocAnhVn wrote:

I quote ..me in KR 4rum... hihi, maybe you will like to take a look at my mind:

Oh.. it will be tight match as I think. But your U23 team has some big problem. That "problem" is both good and bad : the tatic.

It seem like Singapore just played one tatic : high cross ball and then kick/head.. The bad thing is it will easy for another team know how to stop that tatic. But also, the good thing, you did that tatic so great so they can't stop even they know it.

But look, your U23 team now is not strong as nation team. They are young and not fit at all. If you meet a really strong team, they can get hard few first mins, but after that, who know what happen.

Then take a look at Vietnam team. Well, they play latin football with "hard fight"(I don't like that but just one kind of tatic). But, they are not good at air. High cross ball will make them alittle afraid.

Heigh of Vietnam team is just
One more thing, U23 Vietnam team don't have real power striker like CongVinh,VietThang.. before. The weakness is foward..oh.. so crazy, but it true. They are just virtual target for your defender. Real danger is Trong Hoang and Thanh Luong in middle field. So if you can stop those 2 dangerous player, you will win.

I hope Singapore get good result in this match (in fact, I lie, hihi. I want my team go to final more than). But whatever, let hope the good match.

Singapore's Strength is in the air, while vietnam is not very good at air.
Vietnam has lack of real power striker like CongVinh,VietThang which they have it in the past. Real danger is Trong Hoang and Thanh Luong in middle field.

Singapore is young and inexperience which vietnam can take advangtage of. Moreover, Singapore is not very good on the ground.

I agreed wif ur analysis.

All the best to both Singapore and Vietnam! =)

orangkampung · Member

but i really impress with singapore team..i must admit that before the games started i dd underestimate the lion until the young boys prove me wrong in group matches..i tot that little boy shafiq ghani will shine but its madhu and safwan stole the show.. the young lion just roar to prove that the local talent can get the decent result without fereign talent....singapore usually scout the tall n big player because hey believe in science sport that modern football need this group.... hopefully singapore can repeat the same thng in korat here in laos so malaysia n singaore can extend their rivalry..be ware there is no agu casmir to save you lion P

Baosheng · Senior Member

orangkampung wrote:
hopefully singapore can repeat the same thng in korat here in laos so malaysia n singaore can extend their rivalry..be ware there is no agu casmir to save you lion P

Lol..actualli, in korat, Sin lose to thai 3-0 in the semis. Hopefully, this team can achieve at least a final.

Baosheng · Senior Member

Event	: Team Men
Group	: A

Rank

Country

Played

Win

Draw

Lose

For

Against

Margin

Point

1

Vietnam

4

3

1

0

14

3

11

10

2

Malaysia

4

3

0

1

18

4

14

9

3

Thailand

4

2

1

15

3

12

7

4

Cambodia

4

1

0

3

5

15

-10

3

5

Timor Leste

4

0

4

1

28

-27

0

Event	: Team Men
Group	: B

Rank

Country

Played

Win

Draw

Lose

For

Against

Margin

Point

1

Laos

3

1

2

0

3

1

2

5

2

Singapore

3

1

2

0

4

3

1

5

3

Myanmar

3

1

5

4

1

4

Indonesia

3

0

1

2

3

7

-4

1

Simplylao · Member

HUNKENVIETNAM wrote:
Laos sorry but you are juz still a little boy compare with Vietnam or Malaysia or singapore

Little boys with spirit and guns are hard to beat, don't you think?

WW · Newbie

It's hard to predict but must be an exciting tournament even our TH team lose.

LAOS PDR...GO GO GO It's a great chance to pick the gold medal at home.

Su Su Su เด้อ

cmi87 · Veteran Member

Simplylao wrote:

HUNKENVIETNAM wrote:

Laos sorry but you are juz still a little boy compare with Vietnam or Malaysia or singapore

Little boys with spirit and guns are hard to beat, don't you think?

to be realistic ,malaysia got advantage base on past performance ,result and status but nothing is impossible in football..laos have big advantage as a host and they have high will and spirit to show something in this tournament..it would be interesting match =)

-- Edited by cmi87 on Friday 11th of December 2009 10:48:31 AM

Simplylao · Member

It's going to be good games. Laos as a host, has been drought in medal for a long time. Malaysia, it 's been 20 years? So, these teams needed to win for their country and fans.

I bet for the Lao side to make History.

cracktheegg · Newbie

KR User name:Harry Lau

I personally think the result for Semi-Final of Malaysia vs Laos is depend on luck.

Both got High morale and nice team, so hard to guess.

I think Vietnam will win Singapore, looking from their recent results. let not forget that
Singapore good at surprising people ^^

SEAsianVman · Veteran Member

I am a vietnam fan and i hope to see Vietnam in the final. As some of the guys analyze the strengths and weaknesses of each team, one point i think they did not understand about vietnam can't play headball. Coaches know better that they can't not assume this when playing vietnam. This generation is not tall, but there are ways to counter crosses. Remember the senior teams, vietnam could play with taller singaporean players. Its how you organize your 4 men in the back and with the help of the midfiend line to help covering in defense and move up in attack. Vietnam play with 5guys in the midfield. this layer has two functions. It is the first line of defense. Usually 2 or 3 play lower near the defense to have more players to cover when in defending. This is normally 6 or 7 guys always defend. The rest of the 5 guys,maybe 1 or 2 of them always play near thanh binh. Thanh binh is the fixed forward. However, this is the 2nd function of midfiend. Thanh Luong,Tien Thanh,Thanh Hung always have the ability to play and score like forward. So when in attack, even thanh binh is well guarded, any surprise can come from these three guys. So they not only do play-making, they also have to score when they can. Although i can tell you vietnam is lacking a leader who is a play maker to controls the tempo and makes plays.
With strategy like that, vietnam has a balance of defending and counter attacking with strong team. With under-dogs they attack with numbers, with 5 guys in the middle.
I am sure all the coaches know this.The Only thing to do is to plan how to defeat this set up to win vietnam.
Thailand lost was a disaster. But i dont rate Malaysia any higher techniquely. Thailand lost was an accidence of the lack of determination.But if you ask them to play again, no way malaysia can do the same thing. Malaysia came in in a possition that they have to win. Well i am sure the viet kids also want the gold medal as bad. They will come in and play hard like how malaysia did today.

cracktheegg · Newbie

Every teams had fought hard, so everyone is still winner in the end.

Even though there can only be one Champion.

-- Edited by cracktheegg on Friday 11th of December 2009 01:15:31 PM

SEAsianVman · Veteran Member

If Malaysia and singapore just bring the ball to the wings and make crosses, this simple tactic does not work well against vietnam. Like i said its difficult to meet a cross and score.But when that ball drops down in the midfield, vietnam sure will have the possesion. With at least 5 guys in the middle, you ofcourse have the advantage. Vietnam play diagonal,short, one touch. When you have possesion at midfield you have chances to make plays. Malay and sing players are fit, no dout. So the only thing to do is to wear vietnam out. However, unlike previous generations, these viet kids athough shorter but their physicals improved tremendously. So that is not a weakness anymore.
The only thing is not so obvious is what comef from Alfred REild. He knows vietnam very well. So we just wait and see. Chances are equal for all four teams.

Baosheng · Senior Member

cracktheegg wrote:

KR User name:Harry Lau

I personally think the result for Semi-Final of Malaysia vs Laos is depend on luck.

Both got High morale and nice team, so hard to guess.

I think Vietnam will win Singapore, looking from their recent results. let not forget that
Singapore good at surprising people ^^

Yo..mi too..I am also from KR 4rum. haha..

Yea..it will be difficult to guess the result.

Different people have different views. People said that Singapore is good in air, dangerous on set pieces, inexp, young, no foreign talent tis time....blahx blax

Vietbam have 2 dangerman Trong Hoang and Thanh Luong. The team is not very good in the air, but could pass diagonal, short, one touch passes very well. Keeping possesion very well. Moreover, they have a good coach, Castillo.

Both teams played with a 5 man midfield. Both wants to win. Onli one can go through to the final.

-- Edited by Baosheng on Friday 11th of December 2009 06:27:12 PM

Ngaxinhhp · Newbie

Congratulation to 4 teams (Vietnam, Laos, Singapore and Malaysia), and Vietnam will be the Champion.

Baosheng · Senior Member

Ngaxinhhp wrote:

Congratulation to 4 teams (Vietnam, Laos, Singapore and Malaysia), and Vietnam will be the Champion.

Second and Third?

Baosheng · Senior Member

KHONTHAIHUAJAIKRANG wrote:

congratulation to sin, lao, mas and vie

Don be disheartened. Thailand can always come back next time =)

HoneyVietnam · Member

It's very interesting if Laos and Vietnam go to the final. Anyway, Alfred Riedl know Vietnam team in details. Of coz, I like Viet will be in the final, and also will be the champion.

Admin · Member

So in conclusion, it would be like:

Vietnam = Chelsea
Laos = Arsenal
Singapore = Manchester Utd
Malaysia = Liverpool

??

loveINDONESIA · Senior Member

Admin wrote:

So in conclusion, it would be like:

Vietnam = Chelsea
Laos = Arsenal
Singapore = Manchester Utd
Malaysia = Liverpool

??

Chelsea is in the top of EPL now. Liverpool isn't the one of the top 16 UEFA Champions League

so? Vietnam (Chelsea) will be the champion and Laos will beat Malaysia(Liverpool)?hmmm,...

-- Edited by loveINDONESIA on Friday 11th of December 2009 11:45:30 PM

shah · Veteran Member

I think Vietnam will face Malaysia in the final.

Baosheng · Senior Member

Admin wrote:

So in conclusion, it would be like:

Vietnam = Chelsea
Laos = Arsenal
Singapore = Manchester Utd
Malaysia = Liverpool

??

Sort of agreed wif u. But, Thailand is Inter Milan?

Baosheng · Senior Member

Simplylao wrote:

It's going to be good games. Laos as a host, has been drought in medal for a long time. Malaysia, it 's been 20 years? So, these teams needed to win for their country and fans.

I bet for the Lao side to make History.

Lose or Win in the semis, laos have already made history. =) Wish them lucks!!

starboy · Veteran Member

Come ... be supporting Indonesia Sea Games champion in 2009

http://www.tinyurl.com/bismarblog

Harris · Member

NgocAnhVn wrote:

I quote ..me in KR 4rum... hihi, maybe you will like to take a look at my mind:

Oh.. it will be tight match as I think. But your U23 team has some big problem. That "problem" is both good and bad : the tatic.

It seem like Singapore just played one tatic : high cross ball and then kick/head.. The bad thing is it will easy for another team know how to stop that tatic. But also, the good thing, you did that tatic so great so they can't stop even they know it.

But look, your U23 team now is not strong as nation team. They are young and not fit at all. If you meet a really strong team, they can get hard few first mins, but after that, who know what happen.

Then take a look at Vietnam team. Well, they play latin football with "hard fight"(I don't like that but just one kind of tatic). But, they are not good at air. High cross ball will make them alittle afraid.

Heigh of Vietnam team is just
One more thing, U23 Vietnam team don't have real power striker like CongVinh,VietThang.. before. The weakness is foward..oh.. so crazy, but it true. They are just virtual target for your defender. Real danger is Trong Hoang and Thanh Luong in middle field. So if you can stop those 2 dangerous player, you will win.

I hope Singapore get good result in this match (in fact, I lie, hihi. I want my team go to final more than). But whatever, let hope the good match.

but sin will beat Vietnam. why? Because singapore play high cross when Vietnamese is just less than 1m75. So, how they can stop them?

Baosheng · Senior Member

starboy wrote:

Come ... be supporting Indonesia Sea Games champion in 2009

http://www.tinyurl.com/bismarblog

Hey,Starboy. Don post the same thing everywhere. Everyone will be supporting their country.

Thailandsula · Member

Singapore Vs Malaysia in the final!!

Malaysia Boleh!!

VNatUtrecht · Veteran Member

I like the way Laos play football and and explosive potential, but I think they need more to impose their tactics on the opponent. On the other side, the "nothing to lose" spirit is very very powerful. After qualifying for the semi final, Laos can just gain and gain, it has nothing to lose.

Malaysia has just returned from hell in a narrow escape, and remember that those who return from hell is the most dangerous.

Singapore is the most desciplined team. When a team has good stamina and discipline, it is very very difficult to be defeated.

Viet Nam team is best illustrated as solid. All players show their willingness to fight and this combined with a suitable tactics will bring marvellous outcome.

End of the day, I vote for Viet Nam.

Baosheng · Senior Member

Well said, VNatUtrecht. u analyze well!=)

Cheers, I am from Singapore.

Thailandsula · Member

Baosheng wrote:

Admin wrote:

So in conclusion, it would be like:

Vietnam = Chelsea
Laos = Arsenal
Singapore = Manchester Utd
Malaysia = Liverpool

??

Sort of agreed wif u. But, Thailand is Inter Milan?

Barcelona.

Eversong · Veteran Member

Yes, Sing team will be very dangerous if they play long ball, and Vie cant take it for sure. But the main point is, can the Singapore team get control of the ball or not ?
When u take control of ball, you can play the way u want, but ONLY IF you have the ball. When the opponents dominate the game, u have to play the game THEIR WAY.
It's most likely when Barca vs Bayern last year in CL. The german players are so tall, strong compare to little spanish guys, but Barca knew how to drive the game with cross, short passes and group tactics. So in the end, Bayern didnt have a tiny chance to touch the ball.

It'll be hard to predict the result of 1st semi but I think it's a 60%-40% for Vie.

As for the 2nd match, refer to recent performance, it's hard for Malay to overcome Laos.

All hail the power of the host XD.

VNatUtrecht · Veteran Member

but sin will beat Vietnam. why? Because singapore play high cross when Vietnamese is just less than 1m75. So, how they can stop them?

I think the defenders of Viet Nam is capable of protecting their goal against the headers. Fabio Canavaro became the world cup champion with a height of only 1m76, even shorter than some of Viet Nam's defenders.

High balls and heading is the easiest way to approach opponent's goal, but it might be countereffective if the team relies too much on this fixed tactic. Spain in Euro 2008 did not score many goals from heading, but mostly from shooting and the legendary tiqui-taqua tactics, which makes use of short flexible passes and the logical movements of the players. With short flexible and unpredictable passes, Spain's opponents were left hunting the ball in vain until they turn exhausted. Guus Hiddink admited afterwards that Russia team could not stand from tiqui-taqua...

Vietnamese players are not really tall, that's the truth we are willing to admit. But we have a different tactic that may allow us to take full use of our potential. Being relatively short means that we will not have advantage over heading and high ball, but it also means that we can make faster moves.

The match b/w Singapore and Viet Nam will be worth watching. It is the confronting of 2 different styles: long ball vs short ball, heading vs shooting, European style vs Latin style...

Wait and see!

-- Edited by VNatUtrecht on Saturday 12th of December 2009 06:38:19 AM

AJ Malaysian · Veteran Member

I don't think disbelief

Laos is a same team as before, they are the host for SEA Games so the enthusiasm to win is undoubtly high as ever.

I just wanna Malaysia do all the best and pray that we can go through into final aww

...

As for Vietnam vs Singapore match I think it will drag into penalty decision...

Both teams are really damn good!!! biggrin

Thailandsula · Member

VNatUtrecht wrote:

but sin will beat Vietnam. why? Because singapore play high cross when Vietnamese is just less than 1m75. So, how they can stop them?

I think the defenders of Viet Nam is capable of protecting their goal against the headers. Fabio Canavaro became the world cup champion with a height of only 1m76, even shorter than some of Viet Nam's defenders.

But Vietnam don have player of Fabio Canavaro Calibre!..lol

loveINDONESIA · Senior Member

Thailandsula wrote:

Baosheng wrote:

Admin wrote:

So in conclusion, it would be like:

Vietnam = Chelsea
Laos = Arsenal
Singapore = Manchester Utd
Malaysia = Liverpool

??

Sort of agreed wif u. But, Thailand is Inter Milan?

Barcelona.

so,Indonesia = AC Milan,Myanmar=Bayern Muenchen,Laos=Fiorentina (surprising)

hoho...just kiddink

Thailandsula · Member

lol. Thailand = Man U...

Baosheng · Senior Member

AJ Malaysian wrote:

I don't think Laos is a same team as before, they are the host for SEA Games so the enthusiasm to win is undoubtly high as ever.

I just wanna Malaysia do all the best and pray that we can go through into final ...

As for Vietnam vs Singapore match I think it will drag into penalty decision...

Both teams are really damn good!!!

Wish Malaysia luck for tmr game!

Malaysia boleh!

-- Edited by Baosheng on Saturday 12th of December 2009 08:03:06 AM

Ellen · Member

Singapore 2-1 Vietnam
Laos 2-3 Malaysia

Malaysia Vs Singapore in the final...Predict..

starboy · Veteran Member

Come ... be supporting Indonesia Sea Games champion in 2009

http://www.tinyurl.com/bismarblog

Baosheng · Senior Member

Omg..Star boy is back!! Spamming in every thread again...

VNatUtrecht · Veteran Member

starboy wrote:

Come ... be supporting Indonesia Sea Games champion in 2009

http://www.tinyurl.com/bismarblog

To Starboy:

Every of us will only support our own nation, so I think it's rather useless trying to persuade others to support our contry like that.

In addition, we do not like being spammed like that, with the text irrelevant to what we are discussing.

We will boycott you if you continue this way!

Ellen · Member

Thailandsula wrote:

Singapore Vs Malaysia in the final!!

Malaysia Boleh!!

yes...Thailandsula!!

Ellen · Member

is Trọng Hoàng injured?

doan_VN · Newbie

U23 Việt nam, Asean football champion...:))

SEAsianVman · Veteran Member

there are several defenders that are taller than 1m75 in vietnamese team. However the tall defenders are not used frequently because the shorter ones are doing the job well. And eventhough honestly they dont have a carnavaro, but the defense is well organize and fucntion well up until this point. They conceided a totall of 3 goals, of which 1 is own goal. Only one own goal in game with malaysia, and thats just a terible personal fault. Vietnam did not allow any live ball ịn One goal in thailand game was a personal fall of the keeper. And one goal in cambodia game was the result of the over confident toward cambodian strikers. But systematically, they do a good job as a group of defenders.

And altoghether they scored a total of 17 goals in 4 matches. Thats the same with thailand and malaysia's record.

Okay one thing i would like to speak to Thai fans. I believe that FAT chose to follow English football is a big mistake. I know that Premiere Leagues is a big thing in thailand. Thai players are skillfull and flexible. They are also smart players. However for being very tall , they should not choose English Coaches. Look at Peter Reid, he failed Thailand in AFF cup last year. This seagame Steve Darby failed again. I dont blame these two guys. I think they are great. But the style they selected for Thailand is not the right one. Playing english football rely on physical fitness like english and german. 4-4-2 required alot of physical strengths and organization. In south east asia, thailand can use this system alright. But to play other teams that are bigger and stronger, they are on a disadvantage.
I dont think the english coaches are the reason for thailand's failure recently, I just dont think playing english style is best suited to characteristics of thai people. I dont think its the best playing style for thailand in the future.
YOu know who is the best coach for thailand? it was their ex-coach Chanvit. Chanvit was thai and he understands thai more.
Look at Alfred Reidl, he coached vietnam this way for years, and vietnam is always a runner ụp

Until SE asian players are 180m and 65kg on the average, they can play any style. Because they are on the same level with everyone in the world physically.
However to extract out all of your ability and potential, you have to play like how you are.
I believe that in SE asia, thai and viet players are suited in playing spanish or portugese styles. Short passes, diagonal ball, group work, one touch. Cause thai and viet players are flexible and skillful.
Look at Brasil and Argentina, they play like spanish and portugese. What makes them even better because of the diversity of their societies. Brazilians players are, most of them, mixed with blacks,native americans, white. They got all the gôod traits from each race. They strong and fast. Now plus the technical part of european playing football literature, its the best combination.
Coach Calisto is just the right person for Vietnam. Although he does not employ the best U23 players now, he understand vietnamese very well and being portugese, he has brought out the best of vietnamese characteristics.
I think thailand should return to how they used to play.

BonBon · Member

doan_VN wrote:
U23 Việt nam, Asean football champion...:))

what made u said that

AFAIK the match is still havent yet decide

colorstar · Member

VIETNAM 4-1 SIGAPORE
MAYLAYSIA 2-0 LAO
VIETNAM 3-0 MAYLAYSIA VIETNAM IS THE CHAMPION
IF LAO 1-0 MALAYSIA
THEN VIETNAM 9-0 LAO VIETNAM IS THE CHAMPION

SO CONGRATULATION TO VIETNAM

SEAsianVman · Veteran Member

Bull**** I am vietnamese myself but dont post stuff like that please. Ball has not bêen played anything can happen. Mr Colorstar, respect others and be humble please

Majapahit Kid · Senior Member

Vn shld beat Sing.haha..don b surprise Lao upset Msia.they gt homecrowd support.anyw,Vn can go on 2 win d gold