25th SEA GAMES, Vientiane, Laos 2009

Date: Nov 4, 2009

Vietnam - next asia tiger.

Date: Nov 4, 2009

Surely, let consider why Intel, Samsung invest their biggest projects in Vietnam. Just 10 years running, Vietnam Stock Security trading volume is over Philippin, 1/2 volume compare to Thailand, and expect to 1 US billions per day next year, equally with Singapore Stock Market.

Date: Nov 4, 2009

From the position 7th in Sea Games 15, Vietnam became no.1 in the Sea Games 22, after that continue in top 3. Sooner later, will be no. 1 again.

Date: Nov 5, 2009

This is a tricky question or ambiguous question ... is this question on business/economic perspective? ... or sport competition perspective? ... or military power perspective. I know "tiger" means to power in Asian ... but what power (economic, culture, sport, education, manufacturing, military, etc.)?

Date: Nov 5, 2009

Laos will be the elephant of asia, bigger than Vietnam tiger, or Singapore Lion 5555
SEA Games this year, Laos will be number 1

Date: Nov 7, 2009

Vietnam win 41 gold medals in Asia Indoor Games, place second position, only behind China with 47 gold medals. It's already real Asia Tiger in sport. I think Vietnam will place no.1 position in the 2009 SEA Games.
It's also next asia tiger in economic, politic, and military as well.

Date: Nov 7, 2009

In the 2009 SEA GAMES, you will see how Vietnam show their power.

Date: Nov 7, 2009

Anonymous wrote:

Vietnam win 41 gold medals in Asia Indoor Games, place second position, only behind China with 47 gold medals. It's already real Asia Tiger in sport. I think Vietnam will place no.1 position in the 2009 SEA Games.
It's also next asia tiger in economic, politic, and military as well.

There u go. stupid stuff. Do Vietnam better than Japan got 5 Gold even Korea.

Where are you in Olimpic, Asian game hehe. Pardon me if I'm wrong.

Which sport u got medal from? Let's me see, Is it international sport or may be if it is.

Might be Vietnam will complete with USA China in next Olimpic game

God Tiger Asia show funny thing.

Date: Nov 7, 2009

Why can not?. You will see how strong Vietnam will be in Laos SEA games and next ASIAD. We also win gold medal in athlete and swimming. You think Japan and Korea don't join this Games? Let check how many gold medal they get. This Games include swimming and athletes, two important of olympic sport.
In football, U-19 Vietnam win Korea: 1-0 in qualifying U-19 AFC tournament. This is second time after U-16 Vietnam pass over Thailand and Korea to get official present in the U-16 AFC championship.
In near future, why we can not compare with Japan and Korea?

Date: Nov 7, 2009

hello everyone
In my opinion, I think Vietnam now try their best to rising up strongly, at this moment Vietnam can not compare with China, Japan, Korea, but may be 5 or 10 years later, I think Vietnam strong enough to be top sport country in Asia.
We agree that Thailand and Vietnam are 2 powerful sport country in Asean. and Im so happy to see they defeat China, Japan, Korea in sport, dont you guy think??? that mean Asean sport is not weakness

Date: Nov 8, 2009

Vietnam will apply official letter for ASIAD 2018. Dream is coming true. Vietnam is soaring. A tiger is waking up.

MC · Member

If talking in SEA, yeah I think so - Vietnam has potential to be a real big tiger.

Thailand is losing its power now - it is like the wounded dragon, but remember one day it will wake up again. But i suspect, it will take much time as now their politicians are crazy. Poor Thailand!

Indonesia is like sleeping elephant. It is like China in terms of the population power. With the largest population in the SEA region, this country potentially be the giant and real elephant if well-managed. But i suspect, with its well-known corruption, the dream is far to come true.

Singapore - everything is good. There is only one thing that it lacks - and cannot become the tiger is because of the population power. Small country like Singapore will never be the big thread for others.

Laos - everyone knows this country is purely managed by Vietnam. Secure but too small in terms of population. No sign to be the Tiger.

Malaysia already the young tiger in SEA, right? I suspect when this young tiger can become an adult..? Maybe it is not too long, lol.

Myanmar: the dream is long to come.

Brunei: too small. I suspect one day when the oil is run out, how can this country survive?

Cambodia: Like Vietnam, this country is currently benefiting from the political crisis in Thailand if compared to others in the region. Many SMEs are moving from Thailand to Cambodia and Vitenam. The country has potential to be big, but i suspect with prime minister Hun Sen leadership, the dream might be a bit come true!

FOR sport, Thailand is still no. 1, follow by Vietnam and Malay.

Date: Nov 25, 2009

Indonesia should have been the Asian tiger like S. Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, they have the all ingredients to be great (natural and human resources), for some reason their flag never catch the wind.... it does not their country is worse than VN (in term of living standard).

NHP · Senior Member

lol, the next Asia Tiger in Economic, not in Sport, guys :D

Date: Nov 30, 2009

Why do we need ASEAN SUBMIT ?
Why do we need SEAGAMES ?

I'm Thai and
I love everything about Southeast Asia

Date: Dec 1, 2009

MC wrote:

If talking in SEA, yeah I think so - Vietnam has potential to be a real big tiger.

Thailand is losing its power now - it is like the wounded dragon, but remember one day it will wake up again. But i suspect, it will take much time as now their politicians are crazy. Poor Thailand!

FOR sport, Thailand is still no. 1, follow by Vietnam and Malay.

This opinion is somewhat untrue.

First: Thailand had never even been a potential Tiger in ASEAN. Thailand relied mostly on USA, and it can never stand by its only feet. A big wolf with a missing leg.

Second: Thailand and Vietnam is now tied in Sport activity.

Third: Thailand had not been into any major war, so that is part of the reason its had its developing economy by now. It unceasingly focuses on its economy for like over 60 years, but could not go too far. It means its potential to a great economy was lacking significantly.

colorstar · Member

I'm a Vietnamese and I don't know what kind of Tiger is this, let's hope that all the Vietnamese will get this type of benefit for life from the country or just the powerful people who maintain their seats in the government system.
Anyways, A tiger for who??? for government people or just a Cat for the poor people.

Date: Dec 1, 2009

I'm a Vietnamese 2. I'm sure that Vietnam have enough conditions to become a STRONG COUNTRY in the world not only the tiger of Asia (Strong but not a Super Strong contry like America, Russia... smile

). However, there are many things that make us take a long long time to become such a country. Vietnamese people also have to learn much from neighbors. ==> Please have a look at this article to understand more: "Vietnam: What happen to the next Asia tiger?"

NHP · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

I'm a Vietnamese 2. I'm sure that Vietnam have enough conditions to become a STRONG COUNTRY in the world not only the tiger of Asia (Strong but not a Super Strong contry like America, Russia... ). However, there are many things that make us take a long long time to become such a country. Vietnamese people also have to learn much from neighbors. ==> Please have a look at this article to understand more: "Vietnam: What happen to the next Asia tiger?"

lol, look down, man. R u kidding me? Vietnam have conditions enough to become a strong country in the world. lol, can u show me something abt it? I haven't ever seen abt it, even I still live in Saigon. Lots of countries have more abilities, more conditions, but they never think that they have enough to become a strong country. If yes, they couldn't do it as well. For sure. it's too haughty.

lol, it's just the theory, like what I learnt from the book: Understanding business and another books. First of all, we don't have a good leader. Secondly, we don't have a human resource, we're having a brain drain. The last one 's the peace. Remember that we just come over the war 34 years. We still try to overcome the result of war.

-- Edited by NHP on Wednesday 2nd of December 2009 12:49:26 AM

-- Edited by NHP on Wednesday 2nd of December 2009 12:51:14 AM

Date: Dec 2, 2009

NHP wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I'm a Vietnamese 2. I'm sure that Vietnam have enough conditions to become a STRONG COUNTRY in the world not only the tiger of Asia (Strong but not a Super Strong contry like America, Russia... ). However, there are many things that make us take a long long time to become such a country. Vietnamese people also have to learn much from neighbors. ==> Please have a look at this article to understand more: "Vietnam: What happen to the next Asia tiger?"

lol, look down, man. R u kidding me? Vietnam have conditions enough to become a strong country in the world. lol, can u show me something abt it? I haven't ever seen abt it, even I still live in Saigon. Lots of countries have more abilities, more conditions, but they never think that they have enough to become a strong country. If yes, they couldn't do it as well. For sure. it's too haughty.

lol, it's just the theory, like what I learnt from the book: Understanding business and another books. First of all, we don't have a good leader. Secondly, we don't have a human resource, we're having a brain drain. The last one 's the peace. Remember that we just come over the war 34 years. We still try to overcome the result of war.

-- Edited by NHP on Wednesday 2nd of December 2009 12:49:26 AM

-- Edited by NHP on Wednesday 2nd of December 2009 12:51:14 AM

Iam so sorry if what i commented is too haughty but i still preserve my point of view above. Please look at our history, our geography... for more because i cannot details it. Plz also look at the next sentence of my statement above "Vietnamese people also have to learn much from neighbors".
I agreed with u about above difficulties but i believe that we CAN become a strong country catching up with Thailand, Korea... For now, Hard- working comes 1st. smile

NHP · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

Iam so sorry if what i commented is too haughty but i still preserve my point of view above. Please look at our history, our geography... for more because i cannot details it. Plz also look at the next sentence of my statement above "Vietnamese people also have to learn much from neighbors".
I agreed with u about above difficulties but i believe that we CAN become a strong country catching up with Thailand, Korea... For now, Hard- working comes 1st.

For sure, we can, everybody can, every countries can; but please do it as soon as possible, don't try to speak out too much. I don't care the history, the geography of Vietnam. It was the past. We're living in our age and We're trying to do and achieve what we want. In fact, Vietnam don't have conditions enough to become a strong country nowadays. We have lots of problem to solve, to think of and to think about the solution. It's still the future and nobody know abt it.

Date: Dec 2, 2009

You said that you still live in Saigon, right? You can not see any conditions that Vietnam will become a strong country in the world? Yeah!!!! Maybe you are in Chi Hoa prison so long time!

Date: Dec 2, 2009

Sure, but how to solve if we are not officials?, do u think they'll hear us? We're just ordinary people but we have inspiration, belief of a better& strong country, studying and working hard, showing to friends from others countries of a friendly Vietnam.

Any country always look at the past, analysing the present and working for the future. How can u dont care about ours? blankstare

(I not means the past of wars but the tradition, human ability..)

Date: Dec 2, 2009

I am Vietnamese. I think Vietnam currently have some difficulties. But with our human power, we can make dream come true. For my side, there are so much opportunities, I must work more than 12 hours a day to catch up the chance. Actually, a lot of chances to be rich, why you can not see?

Minhmuong · Member

I would rather see a prosperous VN in terms of wellbeings than a Vietnam that's strong only in sports!

Date: Dec 2, 2009

I'm so sure, nowsday, what many people in Thailand have learned in the past is we couldnt stand alone without friends.

To be no.1 but have no friends stand by next to one anothers or side-by-side is so lonely and so danger.

Rather.. being no.2 but so enjoying life together with many friends.

Better.. working hard and save money for whole year round then travelling to Vietnam, eatting Pho' or to Malaysia, eatting Bakute.

Eatting Pad Thai everyday is so boring.

NHP · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

You said that you still live in Saigon, right? You can not see any conditions that Vietnam will become a strong country in the world? Yeah!!!! Maybe you are in Chi Hoa prison so long time!

r u silly? u go too far and u don't have any good reason to let anybody talk more abt it, guy. I love Vietnam in the right way, not the blind. OK? Moreover, we're still poor. That's truth. And it's not the reason for someone to let me go to the jail.

NHP · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

I am Vietnamese. I think Vietnam currently have some difficulties. But with our human power, we can make dream come true. For my side, there are so much opportunities, I must work more than 12 hours a day to catch up the chance. Actually, a lot of chances to be rich, why you can not see?

For sure. We're trying to make a dream become true; but not this time. We have a more difficulties to come over. Frequently, lots of chances to be rich, but we don't have knowledge enough to do that. And look at our education system, most of student graduate every years and their Office should train them abt their working skill again... We pay attention the theory too much, less practicing. It's the reason why we don't have a human resources. And Brain drain's the second problem. We don't know how to keep and give the Good more opportunities, more conditions and high income to do their jobs. U can read these problems on newspaper everyday, can't u?

Date: Dec 2, 2009

Anonymous wrote:

Sure, but how to solve if we are not officials?, do u think they'll hear us? We're just ordinary people but we have inspiration, belief of a better& strong country, studying and working hard, showing to friends from others countries of a friendly Vietnam.

Any country always look at the past, analysing the present and working for the future. How can u dont care about ours? (I not means the past of wars but the tradition, human ability..)

PLZ read my comment again, not of others!!

I just want to ask that: Do you believe that we CAN become a strong country in economics???

NOTHING IMPOSSIBLE!

NHP · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

PLZ read my comment again, not of others!!
I just want to ask that: Do you believe that we CAN become a strong country in economics???
NOTHING IMPOSSIBLE!

Yes, we can. I totally agree with u. I just don't agree that Vietnam have enough conditions to become a strong country. Nowadays, we're trying to have it :)

Date: Dec 2, 2009

NHP wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PLZ read my comment again, not of others!!
I just want to ask that: Do you believe that we CAN become a strong country in economics???
NOTHING IMPOSSIBLE!

Yes, we can. I totally agree with u. I just don't agree that Vietnam have enough conditions to become a strong country. Nowadays, we're trying to have it :)

I just based on history, tradition and geography to give my ideas. Maybe it caused some mis-understandings.

Thank you for your comment!

Lets working for a BETTER VIETNAM!

NHP · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

I just based on history, tradition and geography to give my ideas. Maybe it caused some mis-understandings.
Thank you for your comment!
Lets working for a BETTER VIETNAM!

ok, better than nothing. Good luck :)

Date: Dec 2, 2009

Hi all the Vietnamese with comments over there.

I am a Vietnamese too.

The first thing I would like to tell you is that, keep the disagreement within ourselves. We all know that we will have to work hard to overcome those difficulties, and we are working hard knowing that one day things will turn out the way we expect.

For those who criticize VN: We are not yet in a good position comparing to the giants both in economics, military or anything else like sport. There are people who are working hard to bring us closer to the top and there are also those who take advantages of the hard-working people for their own sake. Every issue has at least 2 different aspects and don't just look at one aspect and then make a generalization!

For those who overestimate VN: Please be aware that there are many things to be done to bring us to another level. Don't fool ourselves by keep thinking that we are good, we are big and we're gonna be a huge dragon blah blah blah...In fact, there have been too much brain wash among us. Be real, look for the fact and know how to judge the fact. Anyway, keep that positive thinking in your mind and I'm sure we're gonna be better with our efforts and that positiveness!

Thank you all, for your reading!

NHP · Senior Member

Hi,

Thanks very much for ur comment. It's so nice ^^ but I don't see any criticisms above. For sure, don't dream too much, don't think that we're good because lots of countries'ere better than ours.

Date: Dec 2, 2009

Dear all,
"Vietnam-next asia tiger", this title is not mine, but KimEng Holdings Plc from Singapore. This topic is discussed in seminar for Singapore investments. Don't think that we, Vietnamese want to show our ability. For my side, I think Vietnam have the potential to do that. "Potential" only, that's why we should work hard, take help from friend countries to make it become true.
Hard working poeple always find the chance in front of him.

Date: Dec 2, 2009

For me,

I'm Thai and I'm not smart but I don't like to talk for Thailand that much at all. Why? Because, I think to talk about Thailand is the way too far for me.

I put more attention on my work and my family. Always, think about how to make more money. How to take care my parents.

For Thailand, what I can do is just paying the income tax, save the water, save the electric, put my vote for the election and being a good citizen.

For myself, just ignore the bad things, no drugs, no disco club etc.

Do I care about Thailand? Absolutely, I do!

But, I don't work for my government. I let the government do their job. I have no duty to talk for Thailand. That have to be the Thai embassy job.

My job is ...
Do not make any troubles to any communities that I am into. Just have fun and be happy with people.

For Sea Games. I like to see all athletics who have skills, talents and work hard get the gold. No matter where they come from. No man deserves to be the loser. But, just take it if you work hard but they work hard more than you. That's alright. Let try it again next time.

Right place, right time and lucky are also important.

Hopefully, we will enjoy 25th SEA GAMES together.
Hopefully, the games will bring us closer then ever.

Good luck for all participating countries. We are who we are. We are SEA people. Nobody in here borned in European countries or USA, right? Nobody in here is 200 years old, right?

Just ask yourself, can we be no.1 together?
No one deserves to cry.

Date: Dec 2, 2009

yeah, we will be another Asian Tiger by making the best fish sauce in the world! you can count on it!

Date: Dec 3, 2009

I am Vietnamese. Let make Asean countries,all together, to become real tigers. We are all friends, we are all brothers in big family ASEAN. I think big ASEAN members must share duty for difficulty countries, not only themselve.

Date: Dec 5, 2009

Navibank Saigon Club will corporate with Bayer Munich FC to build Bayern Munich - Navibank Football Academy in Hochiminh City. This is third corperation between Vietnam Club and famous football Club in the world, after corporation between HAGL - ARSENAL, SHB Danang - PORTO FC.

starboy · Veteran Member

Indonesia. Winner......

http://www.tinyurl.com/bismarblog

Date: Dec 6, 2009

I think that the subject means every country in Asean is a tiger already and now Vietnam is going to join with them lol

The Lost Cow Vie · Member

Vietnam - next paper tiger more like it.

our growth of GDP has never been anything "spectacular" u know.

just a simple calculation - now GDP is around 1000 USD
to be generous, let's put our growth for the next 10 years at 8% every year (which is very hard already)

after 10 years our GDP would be 2.16 times what it is now which is 2160 USD per person per year at nominal exchange rate.

after 20 years our GDP is 4.66 times which is around 4660USD per person.

That's only "IF and only IF" Vietnam can maintain 8% per year which is highly unlikely. Even then we're no where near a "tiger". Probably a cat - an extremely small one.

Thailand is no where near a "tiger" and guess what its GDP is 4.1k USD.

Malaysia is not a tiger - GDP 11k USD and still growing at 4.6% every year.
even averaging 3% year for the next 20 years Malaysia will be around 19k USD/person/year

All the so-called "Asian tigers" have periods of about 20 years of extreme growth in 2 digits figure u know. Unless Vietnam does something "REALLY" drastic to change its economic environment - it's not going to happen.

Vietnam will hit a plateau around where Thailand is at the moment and will start slowing down. I hate those foreign "experts" who keep feeding stupid dreams to us.

nguoikocotimvn · Veteran Member

Why bring economic themes in the forum Seagames ??!!!!!

littlebear · Member

Anonymous wrote:

Vietnam win 41 gold medals in Asia Indoor Games, place second position, only behind China with 47 gold medals. It's already real Asia Tiger in sport. I think Vietnam will place no.1 position in the 2009 SEA Games.
It's also next asia tiger in economic, politic, and military as well.

I support vietnam to reach that status but you know what, i read some thai opinion from thai website, they said vietnam always cheat. whenever vietnam being host country, the rank always in top but when not being host, the rank fall down.

is that true ?

SEAsianVman · Veteran Member

Its ok to talk about politics. I think this is a big oppotunity for people in the SE region to share opinions and promote mutual cultural understanding. Dont forget by competting in sports, we also learn about each other and promote peace and fun in the region. Ok back to the main point.As much as i want to, i like to see vietnamese live better than now.As a vietnamese person i really hope everyone lives well and enjoy life.However to become a tiger? not with the current government. I am sorry fellow vietnamese, but it aint happen anytime soon. Anyone can become a tiger. it does not matter if is cambodia thailand,lao or indonesia, if they could organize their government in a right structure.The east asian success of Japan and Korea depends on one thing. The institution of Confucius. This system values education and a well define structure from top to bottom. The father is like the government guides the family. Vietnam has that east asian culture,but we dont have the right father right now.They are whole bunch of old Cach' Mang folks who only care for their own sake. We also need a little more freedom.The political system determines your economics situation. Vietnam also missed all that oppotunities that South Korea had because of wars. A country like vietnam has the perfect geography to develop. Next to the Pacific one side and the entrance to SE Asia. Vn has that but still lacking structure and freedom. Confucius taught people to work hard and value education.Thats true about vietnamese people.but still, all that happened in the past is like weights that the vietman has to carry while walking. If they change and be more open more, they will go faster.

The Lost Cow Vie · Member

littlebear wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Vietnam win 41 gold medals in Asia Indoor Games, place second position, only behind China with 47 gold medals. It's already real Asia Tiger in sport. I think Vietnam will place no.1 position in the 2009 SEA Games.
It's also next asia tiger in economic, politic, and military as well.

I support vietnam to reach that status but you know what, i read some thai opinion from thai website, they said vietnam always cheat. whenever vietnam being host country, the rank always in top but when not being host, the rank fall down.

is that true ?

it's not because we "cheat" - it's because whichever country is the host, they can choose which sports to go into seagames except a few compulsory ones.

look back at the record - what happened when Philippines host? what happened when Malaysia host?

SEAsianVman · Veteran Member

If thailand or cambodia has that same Confucius instituion in them, they would be like S.korea and Japan too. However, thailand has been culturely influenced more by India and Buddhsim more than China. Thats why Thailand's politics is unstable. I find it thai people are nice and friendly. Everyone influenced by chinese is a little more aggressive. Well thats my opinion..no offense. Anyway, even a litle slow that she could have been, Thailand eventually will be fully developed. It will be a fine country to live in to enjoy life. I think thailand is not as ambitious as vietnam to become some kind of a power. Thats why India is still not as powerful as China because of their structure and culture. So difference in politics is not the result from biological difference. Rather it is the diference in geography and structure. Thats why i said even Cambodia could be a world domination if they happened to have that needed structure to develop and become stronger. to become stronger you have to have ambition. wars ,conquer and resistance to foreign invasion all that teach some people to be a little more ambtious than the other. the only country that have had so many wars in SE region is vietnam. so i guess thats some explation for some ambitous vietnamese. I think all that does not matter.What matter is to see everyone enjoy life. So people in the SE can compete and promote friendship, but not to look down and be jack asses bashing other people.

pirupiru · Veteran Member

I believe Vietnam will be the next Asia tiger. But, I think we have to look to Indonesia, the one and the only ASEAN countries which is member of G20. 19 of the world's largest national economies, plus the European Union.

and don't forget, talking about SEA GAMES, Indonesia is the nine-time overall champion of the games.

cheers :)

Date: Dec 7, 2009

But sorry, Indonesia lose 2-0, Laos win.

pirupiru · Veteran Member

hehehe yah, that's for the FIRST time for Laos ;)

Ciao Laos! biggrin